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[ Guest ]Resident
Post Icon Posted: Aug 24th, 2006 at 09:01 am Quote Post

Why aren't there any sidewalks or bike trails along the major roads in Carver?

Is it going to take someone getting hit by a car to figure out that 4th street needs a sidewalk from the bottom of the bluff all the way to the top?

How about along 147 where cars are going 50+mph?

Or along county road 50 from 147 to downtown and downtown to Chaska?

Or worse yet, the area along Carver Bluffs Pkwy from 50 to the stop signs where there is no where for someone on a bike to go if a car comes.

It seems to me, that for a town that wants to promote a developing "community", Carver is doing a TERRIBLE job of making sure that it doesn't become a bunch of individual developments that don't associate with one another and don't have access to each other for pedestrians and cyclists.
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[ Guest ]George A.
Post Icon Posted: Sep 6th, 2006 at 01:22 pm Quote Post

Dear Resident.

Don't insult the city motto if you have no idea what you are talking about. There are trails planned for every major road in and around the city of Carver.

If you'd ----deleted---- and go down to the city hall, I'm sure they'd be glad to show you the plans. Better yet, attend a meeting! Smiley



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[ Guest ]City Hall
Post Icon Posted: Sep 7th, 2006 at 10:05 am Quote Post

The new draft park plan will be on the website in the next few weeks....trails are planned for both sides of 147 and the new developments will also provide for new links through the area.

At the 9/5 Carver City Council Meeting, the city council asked that it be understood that this is a comment/opinion page and if you have a question for a city hall staff member, please go into the website's "city contact information" tab and click on a staff member you are needing an answer from. City staff is not monitoring the bulletin boards on a daily basis. http://www.cityofcarver.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={C213EDC7-4E8E-4D77-B722-516BFE9B1860}

Thank you for your attention to City issues.

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[ Guest ]Erik H.
Post Icon Posted: Sep 7th, 2006 at 10:52 am Quote Post

George A.-

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Don't insult the city motto if you have no idea what you are talking about. There are trails planned for every major road in and around the city of Carver.


It appears your opinion is that the city is exempt from following the motto in the present as long as they have plans to follow it in the future?

I guess I didn't realize questioning whether or not government was following their motto was insulting the motto. I'm more concerned about people's safety than the motto's feelings.

George A., you and I can spend an eternity discussing (politely or not if you like) whether or not I insulted the city motto or whether or not I've tried hard enough to go down to city hall to see the plans for future sidewalks.

In the meantime, cars will still meet groups of kids on bikes driving down Carver Bluffs Pkwy and couples pushing strollers will squeeze over to the edge of 4th street hoping that the oncoming car sees them and can avoid them. Everytime I see these situations I shudder to think what will happen when someone gets hit.

I did go down to city hall last summer (2005) in August and asked to see what plans there were for the city. I got a blank stare in return. No maps, no plans, not even any guesses or heresay were available for me. I'm sure there is a pretty strong argument that I should have tried more recently.

I will do my best to attend a meeting.
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[ Guest ]Park & Rec
Post Icon Posted: Sep 7th, 2006 at 03:39 pm Quote Post

The Park & Rec board has walking trail plans drawn up in interlink all developments as well as surround the city. Due to the cost of construction (around $14 per foot plus excavation), it'll take us some time to complete the project -- a project that will really never be completed 100% due to expansion. Walking trails will be completed in phases as budget allows.

As for Carver Bluffs Parkway, Bluff residents need to contact their homeowner's association. A trail along the Parkway was supposed to be built by the developer -- not the city.

Safety is always a major concern for the Park & Rec Board, but we can only move as fast as our budget allows. Also remember that walking trails are not the only project that needs funding.

Regarding maps of planned trails, the city planner or the Park & Rec board have copies and can answer any questions.

The meeting you need to attend (or maybe even join) is the Park & Rec meeting held the second Monday of each month at the Fire Hall.

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[ Guest ]Carver is my home
Post Icon Posted: Sep 8th, 2006 at 08:37 am Quote Post

Anyone know about the 3 blocks on 4th street that doesn't have a sidewalk?

Thanks.

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[ Guest ]City Hall
Post Icon Posted: Sep 8th, 2006 at 10:07 am Quote Post

Just a quick clarification: The City's Park and Recreation Budget is not solely funded by park dedication funding. Instead, there is a significant general fund allocation each year for the department's annual budget. For 2007, the City has tentatively appropriated almost over $46,000 to assist in capital project funding for P&R in it's budget.

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[ Guest ]CB Resident
Post Icon Posted: Sep 26th, 2006 at 09:02 pm Quote Post

Sep 7th, 2006 at 03:39 pm, Guest wrote:

As for Carver Bluffs Parkway, Bluff residents need to contact their homeowner's association. A trail along the Parkway was supposed to be built by the developer -- not the city.


I live in Carver Bluffs and question why Hans Hagen had to give the City an easement of 20' along side of Carver Bluffs Parkway to put in the trail? Please see the document on the Carver Bluffs website filed with the City.

http://www.carverbluffs.org/downloads/CarverBluffsHOA_TrailSidewalkEasement.pdf

I believe the City is responsible for ensuring the safety of it's community regardless of committee beliefs (or arrogance). Carver Bluffs Pkwy is NOT safe for pedestrian traffic of any sort.

If the association truly is responsible for providing a sidewalk or trail along this road then the City should take measures to ensure this association provides the sidewalk as per the development plan. (I know for a fact they are not the only developer in town to disrespect the development plans - but then what are the consequences?)

If the association is not responsible than the City seriously needs to rethink their position on the issue and stop passing the buck.

Something needs to be done... the arguement has been going on for years and it's ridiculous. The issue needs simply needs a solid resolution with a plan in place.
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[ Guest ]CB Resident
Post Icon Posted: Sep 26th, 2006 at 09:10 pm Quote Post

Also - it would be interesting to know if it would be the City or the County who would be responsible for a trail along Cty Rd 40 from Cty Rd 147 into Carver.

There a so many kids riding bike and runners along this road and it is also not very safe w/ general speedy and conditions.

You can understand why people use it as it's only 1 mile into town from the Carver Bluffs development.
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[ Guest ]Resident
Post Icon Posted: Oct 13th, 2006 at 12:45 pm Quote Post

At a cost of $15-17 per foot for asphalt and over $20 per foot for concrete, why should the rest of us residents in Carver (non-Bluff residents) pay for something your developer was supposed to do? My street needs repaving, but I would never expect you to share my costs.

Your beef is with your developer, NOT the city. Don't waste our tax dollars paying the city attorney to explain why its not the city's problem! You'll only waste more time and tax dollars in the process.

This subject has been beat to death at Park & Rec meetings and some people just don't get it. The board agrees that it's unsafe and have said that on record several times. So, Bluff HOA, fix it so your kids don't get hurt!
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[ Guest ]Resident
Post Icon Posted: Oct 13th, 2006 at 12:51 pm Quote Post

As for the easment, see paragraph 2. The P&R board "contemplated" building a trail, but decided against it as more facts were realized. Don't try to screw the rest of us because your developer screwed you! Smiley
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[ Guest ]Roger
Post Icon Posted: Oct 21st, 2006 at 10:00 pm Quote Post

I agree. I live in Carver Bluffs and dont believe the rest of the city should have to pay for something that the developer was supposed to build. As far as being unsafe, keep your kids off the streets! Streets are for cars, not your little brats!
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[ Guest ]Carver Resident
Post Icon Posted: Oct 25th, 2006 at 01:02 pm Quote Post

Oct 13th, 2006 at 12:45 pm, Guest wrote:
My street needs repaving, but I would never expect you to share my costs.


I beleive that the issue of your street needing repaving is an entirely different issue than putting in sidewalks. However, if your street needs repaving, then we ALL should expect to share the costs of the project. That is the basis of a community, it's not "me against you all", it's "all for all". For example, I help you out when you need help by repaving your street, you help my neighbor who needs help by adding a voice to put pressure on the builder to get a sidewalk put in.

That's exactly what community means.

One phone call from every Carver resident to the correct phone number stating that we want them to put in the sidewalk they were supposed to put one in could create a lot of pressure. Imagine if you/everyone decided to call once a week to their sales office. They would have to respond, or risk not being able to handle their prospect's calls.
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[ Guest ]this city is a joke!
Post Icon Posted: Dec 9th, 2006 at 09:14 pm Quote Post

Oct 21st, 2006 at 10:00 pm, Guest wrote:
I agree. I live in Carver Bluffs and dont believe the rest of the city should have to pay for something that the developer was supposed to build. As far as being unsafe, keep your kids off the streets! Streets are for cars, not your little brats!


THAT WAS UNCALLED FOR! Kids are innocent.

If there were sidewalks then nobody including the kids would be FORCED to utilize an unsafe road to go to the softball/lacrosse park that the is owned by the city!

Sidewalks, roads, schools, and so much more are for the benefit of all - not exclusive to a single neighborhood. Carver Bluffs should be interconnected with the rest of the city and that my friend is NOT the developers responsibility. The City is ultimately responsible for ensuring the development in their locality is safe and responsible - and if the developer fails the City is then responsible for stepping in - not the residents. And yes the City has no choice but to use yours and mine tax dollars to make this city safe for the enjoyment of all - DEAL WITH IT!
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[ Guest ]Carver - Land of No Free Sidewal
Post Icon Posted: Dec 10th, 2006 at 12:18 am Quote Post

It's been at least five years since this topic was brought up with the city and there's been zero movement because it's the right thing to do. Pay for your own sidewalk. No "free meals" in Carver! Smiley Move to Chaska - see if you make any more headway with those losers!
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